DUST Search - DUST University Press Release: Hedaleolfarber III Claimed as Academic Planet

Fox Gaden wrote:

Fist Groinpunch wrote:

I try not to post on these forums, but this topic is so appalling I just can't resist.

There's a lot to say about these two corps calling dibs on something that doesn't even exist, about the neutrality claim, about the veiled and open threats from the two schools over something that they already believe belongs to them. But I'm not going to talk about that. I want to talk about their claim to transparency and their choice of planet.

They say Hedaleolfarber III was chosen because it has low strategic//economic value. This is outright ridiculous.

Strategic value - It's location in a little cul-de-sac, away from the main action, makes it the perfect spot to post up away from the main fighting, and stockpile ISK/clones, while being in relative safety from outside attack. Then once enough ISK/clones are stockpiled, its the perfect planet to expand from, simply because your main ISK/clone-making base is protected. If the expansion goes well, great. If it goes badly, you can just retreat back to Hedaleolfarber III and start the stockpiling process all over again. So this planet has probably one of the HIGHEST strategic values for that reason. If you think about it, Hedaleolfarber III is like Australia in the classic version of the Risk board-game.

Economic value - It doesn't matter whether Hedaleolfarber III has a few moons or a million of them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the number of moons has absolutely zero impact on what happens in DUST. And the ownership of districts does not have any impact on how EVE pilots interact with these moons. Those two systems are just not connected in the Uprising build. What is important about Hedaleolfarber III is that because of its isolation, it's less likely to be attacked. Meaning, it's much easier to stockpile ISK/clones there in relative safety. So whoever holds Hedaleolfarber III during Uprising will likely be making money hand over fist. That's at least 3 months! Therefore the economic value of Hedaleolfarber III is actually VERY HIGH.

So now that we have established that Hedaleolfarber III is actually a prime piece of real estate, lets talk about the transparency that these schools are claiming. When they say "We want Hedaleolfarber III because its the worst planet, we're just being transparent," thats not being transparent. That's called trying to deceive/manipulate people to get what you want. The only other possibility is that whoever is making decisions on this honestly believes what they are saying, but is just too stupid to understand that Hedaleolfarber III is actually an amazing base for ANY corporation.

So my question to the two schools is, which one is it? Are you straight up trying to fool everyone? Or do you just not understand the big picture?

One of the district installation types gives a bonus to EVE players of the same Alliance in their moon harvesting production. I assumed that this was common knowladge.

A planet two jumps from anywhere else might be a good place to make money from clones (if you are not using those clones to fight with) but it is not a good place to make your clones at for attacking other systems. You would be suffering substantial clone losses every time you transfer clones off planet. It is not a very smart approach. Not only do you need clones to be able to fight, you need to get those clones to the battlefield.


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Fist Groinpunch Immobile Infantry 3	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:26:00 - [1] - Quote I try not to post on these forums, but this topic is so appalling I just can't resist. There's a lot to say about these two corps calling dibs on something that doesn't even exist, about the neutrality claim, about the veiled and open threats from the two schools over something that they already believe belongs to them. But I'm not going to talk about that. I want to talk about their claim to transparency and their choice of planet. They say Hedaleolfarber III was chosen because it has low strategic//economic value. This is outright ridiculous. Strategic value - It's location in a little cul-de-sac, away from the main action, makes it the perfect spot to post up away from the main fighting, and stockpile ISK/clones, while being in relative safety from outside attack. Then once enough ISK/clones are stockpiled, its the perfect planet to expand from, simply because your main ISK/clone-making base is protected. If the expansion goes well, great. If it goes badly, you can just retreat back to Hedaleolfarber III and start the stockpiling process all over again. So this planet has probably one of the HIGHEST strategic values for that reason. If you think about it, Hedaleolfarber III is like Australia in the classic version of the Risk board-game. Economic value - It doesn't matter whether Hedaleolfarber III has a few moons or a million of them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the number of moons has absolutely zero impact on what happens in DUST. And the ownership of districts does not have any impact on how EVE pilots interact with these moons. Those two systems are just not connected in the Uprising build. What is important about Hedaleolfarber III is that because of its isolation, it's less likely to be attacked. Meaning, it's much easier to stockpile ISK/clones there in relative safety. So whoever holds Hedaleolfarber III during Uprising will likely be making money hand over fist. That's at least 3 months! Therefore the economic value of Hedaleolfarber III is actually VERY HIGH. So now that we have established that Hedaleolfarber III is actually a prime piece of real estate, lets talk about the transparency that these schools are claiming. When they say "We want Hedaleolfarber III because its the worst planet, we're just being transparent," thats not being transparent. That's called trying to deceive/manipulate people to get what you want. The only other possibility is that whoever is making decisions on this is honestly believes what they are saying, but is just too stupid to understand that Hedaleolfarber III is actually an amazing base for ANY corporation. So my question to the two schools is, which one is it? Are you straight up trying to fool everyone? Or do you just not understand the big picture?
Fist Groinpunch Immobile Infantry 3	Posted - 2013.04.25 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Fist Groinpunch wrote: I try not to post on these forums, but this topic is so appalling I just can't resist. There's a lot to say about these two corps calling dibs on something that doesn't even exist, about the neutrality claim, about the veiled and open threats from the two schools over something that they already believe belongs to them. But I'm not going to talk about that. I want to talk about their claim to transparency and their choice of planet. They say Hedaleolfarber III was chosen because it has low strategic//economic value. This is outright ridiculous. Strategic value - It's location in a little cul-de-sac, away from the main action, makes it the perfect spot to post up away from the main fighting, and stockpile ISK/clones, while being in relative safety from outside attack. Then once enough ISK/clones are stockpiled, its the perfect planet to expand from, simply because your main ISK/clone-making base is protected. If the expansion goes well, great. If it goes badly, you can just retreat back to Hedaleolfarber III and start the stockpiling process all over again. So this planet has probably one of the HIGHEST strategic values for that reason. If you think about it, Hedaleolfarber III is like Australia in the classic version of the Risk board-game. Economic value - It doesn't matter whether Hedaleolfarber III has a few moons or a million of them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the number of moons has absolutely zero impact on what happens in DUST. And the ownership of districts does not have any impact on how EVE pilots interact with these moons. Those two systems are just not connected in the Uprising build. What is important about Hedaleolfarber III is that because of its isolation, it's less likely to be attacked. Meaning, it's much easier to stockpile ISK/clones there in relative safety. So whoever holds Hedaleolfarber III during Uprising will likely be making money hand over fist. That's at least 3 months! Therefore the economic value of Hedaleolfarber III is actually VERY HIGH. So now that we have established that Hedaleolfarber III is actually a prime piece of real estate, lets talk about the transparency that these schools are claiming. When they say "We want Hedaleolfarber III because its the worst planet, we're just being transparent," thats not being transparent. That's called trying to deceive/manipulate people to get what you want. The only other possibility is that whoever is making decisions on this honestly believes what they are saying, but is just too stupid to understand that Hedaleolfarber III is actually an amazing base for ANY corporation. So my question to the two schools is, which one is it? Are you straight up trying to fool everyone? Or do you just not understand the big picture? One of the district installation types gives a bonus to EVE players of the same Alliance in their moon harvesting production. I assumed that this was common knowladge. A planet two jumps from anywhere else might be a good place to make money from clones (if you are not using those clones to fight with) but it is not a good place to make your clones at for attacking other systems. You would be suffering substantial clone losses every time you transfer clones off planet. It is not a very smart approach. Not only do you need clones to be able to fight, you need to get those clones to the battlefield. Even with the moon thing it still doesn't change that Hedaleolfarber is basically a super safe spot to print space money in safety. And clone losses are a fact for everyone. You won't admit it, but we both know that the reason why you want this planet is because you understand that it is more safe from attack than most other planets. But you keep saying that it has low economic/strategic value, hoping that everyone else will buy your line and leave you alone. You want special treatment, yet you still pretend you're a good Samaritan doing everyone a service. That's hypocrisy. Know what planets actually have low economic/strategic value? The planets with many districts, especially those planets that are connected to many other planets. They have low economic/strategic value because the districts on those planets are far more likely to be attacked. And if you were truly honest and TRANSPARENT about wanting a home on a planet with low economic/strategic value that's the kind of planet you would have picked. But no, you want your cake and eat it too. I look forward to your ejection from Hedaleolfarber III.